A local seller has this sad-looking (but salvageable?) Graziano SAG 210 lathe: The black gunk on the ways is supposedly some kind of cosmoline-like substance (it's waxy/tarry) so the ways are allegedly still pretty good under it. Spindle turns freely, gears shift nicely (not under power, but the shifters move and 'clunk' like they're going into gear) but obviously this thing's a hefty project. Worst part is the cross-slide. The owner says he has the handwheel and screw and whatnot, but the toolpost and cross-slide casting are missing.
The brief writeup on these models on Lathes.co.uk mentions some nifty features (like shift-on-the-fly) and this particular one has some useful aspects; a 2'-plus through-hole, D1-6 chuck, an MT5 (!) tailstock barrel and a 22' swing. The guy's out of his tree on the price, but might be willing to dicker or do a partial trade. What I'd like to know is how good this brand is in general, how good these machines are, availability of parts, and so on. Basically, assuming I could get it for scrap price or nearly so, would it be worth the effort of putting this thing back together? The cross-slide is of course a major issue.
Anyone know of a parts machine, a scrapper that might have parts, or some other source? Doc, That is a very sad sight:( I have used Grazianos for years, having a SAG 12 of my own and a SAG 14 at work.
Long time no type. Listen, a friend o'mine is looking for a manual for a Graziano SAG 14 Lathe. Thought maybe one of you guys might have one as a mouse pad, or in the john or something. 21.882 used Graziano sag 14 ( ) ✓ from certified dealers ✓ from the. Of the machine ca. M no manual available including new three-jaw chuck (in.
These two models are beautifully made machines and a pleasure to use. The SAG 14 at work has never been cared for, yet it just goes on and on without fault. I have not seen a SAG 210 however. Personally I wouldn't touch that wrecked 210 except as a parts machine. If you want one of the nicest lathes made, please treat yourself to a good one! I think the best place to check for parts is on the Graziano part of the Practical Machinist forum, however there has been very little posted about the 210. My guess is there are just not that many of that model around.
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Here is one thread about the SAG 210. Note how one owner says the SAG 210 has a 'zero backlash' cross slide screw, so be looking for those parts. From reading this thread, it sounds like the 210 has the magnetic clutch-type gearbox, no doubt similar to that used on the SAG 12. Each 'speed' has its own magnetic clutch, and can't be tested without power.
If you can't try it under power, I would expect the worst! These gearboxes can be rebuilt as several other threads show (and there was a 210 gearbox being offered in another thread last year), however it is impossible for me to recommend fixing that sorry example. Graziano cross slides are in theory quite straight forward parts - they are rectangular and machined all over, in other words a casting is not required, just a piece of cast iron. The SAG 14 cross slide has external dovetails to which the compound slide is clamped.
The compound slide has its own base independent of the cross slide. This allows the whole compound unit to be postioned where you want on the cross slide. So, in theory, I think the cross slide could be home made, though you would still need to then come up with a compound slide with its base to suit, maybe from a SAG 17? Ps #2 Graziano still exist as part of the Gildemeister group.
They haven't made manual lathes for many years though. Expect expensive parts prices!
That's the kind of info I was looking for. I do like the look of those SAG 12's and 14's, and the owners seem to speak highly of them.
But it looks like this 210 is a somewhat more rare unit. As Moons noted, when I first saw it- and the price, he's asking $2K (!) - and I saw the missing cross-slide I figured nope, that thing's junk. Only reason I even bothered to go look was that it was only about eight miles away and I needed to get out of the shop. It didn't look much better in person, and it turns out there's some nontrivial forklift damage to the sheetmetal (but just the sheetmetal) so I was figuring it's just a fun outing looking at old machine tools. But like Moon said, once I started seeing some of the specs, I started to get genuinely interested.